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JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.26 14:22:00 - [1] One of the main things i dont like about these incidents we have been having recently is the climate of feat thats arrisen. I remember when you could post about anything on these forums and not be afraid that you might get a perma ban from eve. Nowadays im actually scared to post on some subjects as i have heard of severall people getting banned because of this . As to the main subject of this thread i feel the main problem lies in the T20 incident it was hadled badly and it was still in the public mind when this incident happened. I hope CCp are inoccent as i do love eve but i do worry nowadays about eve. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.26 14:24:00 - [2] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: ns10 Anything against or about a dev in a forum gets censored instantly, and we are told to contact devs about it instead of forums...but I don't believe we can trust them....so where is our voice? How do we put cros our concerns? If you don't trust them, why do you insist on playing a game you believe is rigged??? When all is said and done, there's nothing in this thread remotely resembling proof. A lot of tinfoilhattery, allegations and accusations, but no PROOF! The argument that CCP, a 200-man commercial company, should be there to favorise a certain part of the playerbase is pretty ridiculous when you look at it with unclouded eyes (and not obscured by tinfoil helmets).... You seem to forget that early in this topic a BoB member admited he and others have personall comunication lines to eve devs. And he admited the devs and BoB members are good friends so its not a large stretch of the imagination to support some of the alligations after all. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.26 14:28:00 - [3] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 26/05/2007 14:25:28 Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS Originally by: Kerfira My stuff... You seem to forget that early in this topic a BoB member admited he and others have personall comunication lines to eve devs. And he admited the devs and BoB members are good friends so its not a large stretch of the imagination to support some of the alligations after all. So knowing someone is proof of misconduct, even when no such misconduct has been proven??? Lets see, I have one of my friends working in the tax authorities and have him in my IM..... OMG!!! I must be a tax cheater! Advice: Remove tinfoil hat! No its NOT definate proof... but it is sujestive, and they are only human and humans make mistakes aftereall. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.26 14:33:00 - [4] Originally by: Sha4d13 Jade- its not suggestive at all. You simply are making that suggestion because it suits an agenda. The point above about a friend in the tax dept is a perfect example. Ive a friend who's a policeman- does that mean i exert undue influence over the dept? Of course not- neither he nor i would contemplate it. Post with your main at least. As for my point you will have to be either simple minded or an alt of someone who is obviously pro BoB. It has been shown there are problems in the honesty of CCp staff or otherwise why did they form a Watchdog department HMMMM. So please no blind support. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.26 14:36:00 - [5] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS Originally by: Kerfira My stuff... No its NOT definate proof... but it is sujestive, and they are only human and humans make mistakes aftereall. It is not anything remotely close to proof. It is hearsay and non-proven accusations. I could make some of those too, but that wouldn't make what I'm was accusing people of doing the truth.... You might want to study a few legal definitions.... and maybe stop being easily led by people with their own agenda.... You really do need to learn to comprehend what yu read a Member of BoB said on This forum that he has friends in CCP and ways to contact them DIRECTLY. That is hardly hearsay and non-proven accusations. My theory is its possable becasue of this to ask a dev for a favour via this direct communication. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.26 14:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS Originally by: Sha4d13 Jade- its not suggestive at all. You simply are making that suggestion because it suits an agenda. The point above about a friend in the tax dept is a perfect example. Ive a friend who's a policeman- does that mean i exert undue influence over the dept? Of course not- neither he nor i would contemplate it. Post with your main at least. As for my point you will have to be either simple minded or an alt of someone who is obviously pro BoB. It has been shown there are problems in the honesty of CCp staff or otherwise why did they form a Watchdog department HMMMM. So please no blind support. Ahh, the good old classical defence against good arguments..... Go for the personal attack!!!!!! Its hardly persoanll as its not your main is it. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.26 14:39:00 - [7] Edited by: JADE DRAG0NESS on 26/05/2007 14:39:44 Originally by: Sha4d13 That is nonsense Jade. Im a lawyer in real life- Proof pls. Anyway im going to stop replying now as this topic is largly pointless to me i just hope CCP get there act togethere as in my opinion EvE is the best MMO around. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.26 14:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS Originally by: Kerfira My stuff.. You really do need to learn to comprehend what yu read a Member of BoB said on This forum that he has friends in CCP and ways to contact them DIRECTLY. That is hardly hearsay and non-proven accusations. My theory is its possable becasue of this to ask a dev for a favour via this direct communication. Wow, so having friends and being able to contact them is wrong??? So CCP people have friends outside CCP, and actually TALK (heavens forbid!) to them??? And some of them play EVE!!!!! Aarg, run for the hills! I see no problem in that. In fact, I'd find it pretty damn odd if tings were any different.... However, no PROOF (lookup the definition of this word if it is still so hard for you to comprehend), has been presented in these 60 pages, only weak accusations and slander... Once again i say read what i post i never at any point said there was something wrong with having friends in the dev community nor is there anything wrong with taklking to them i just said that as they have a relationship with a dev or 2 its entirely within the realms of reason that sometimes friends will ask friends for help or for news of future changes. I never said it happened i just said it could happen. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.26 14:53:00 - [9] Originally by: JIm Calhoun Well, without any official reply from CCP what else is there to do for the community at large to do but to discuss these serious allegations amongst themselves. And the servers suddenly can't handle that load? Right....... Whatever the outcome of some "proper" investigation (done probably by the same ppl that these allegations are leveled at), it has already become painstakingly clear that CCP has not grown along with the size of its subscriber base. The current lack of response and openness has "amateurism" written all over it. CCP - Please, hire some real professionals and get your entire member outreach program reviewed by outsiders or stay stuck in the small company mentality where the current behavior belongs. Just my 2 cents as one of your customers. To be fare this started at 2AM i belive and its a holiday weekend right now. Im sure we will get some feedback later tho. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.26 14:55:00 - [10] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS Originally by: Kerfira My stuff Once again i say read what i post i never at any point said there was something wrong with having friends in the dev community nor is there anything wrong with taklking to them i just said that as they have a relationship with a dev or 2 its entirely within the realms of reason that sometimes friends will ask friends for help or for news of future changes. I never said it happened i just said it could happen. Any person COULD be a cold-blooded psycho murderer too, but is that enough to lock them up for life? According to your way of thinking, it seems to... You seem to not understand the concept of 'proof'. Please read up on it.... Considering that you are a BoB alt i have to say your arguments are lacking in strength. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.26 15:42:00 - [11] Originally by: NereSky By removing BOB the name from the game you maybe able to remove the 'shame' It shouldn't pay to cheat anywhere but in Eve its encouraged sadly. I kind of agree here if BoB was disbanded by CCp it would go a long way to fixing EvE's reputation. Tho i feel Disbanding BoB is perhaps a step too far. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
JADE DRAG0NESS Native Freshfood	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: eleuthereus In response to the update on the investigation just released by CCp (here) I have requested on Goonswarm forums for any and all goons to check their petitions so we can find out what led to this infiltration of Darkstar 1 by Sharkbait. In an effort to be transparent and show good faith, here is my post: ---------- Ok, here is the MAJOR question now ---->> WHO IN DARKSTAR 1 SENT A PETITION IN? WHAT WAS THAT PETITION ABOUT? All Goons -- plz plz plz check you petitions you sent in and check your petition replies to see if any of you were the cause of Sharkbait joining Darkstar 1. This is very very important to find out. ----- Perhaps you should have thought about doing so before you set the forum on fire Let us know the result of your internal investigations, but since we don't trust you, if you find no wrongdoings we'll take that as you lying..... (hmmm, why does this sound awfully familiar???) I find this funny as we trust you a lot less BoD alt. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand

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